1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,720 Subs created by: David Coleman. 2 00:00:06,086 --> 00:00:09,266 A lot of sadness here. 3 00:00:09,834 --> 00:00:11,872 People here didn't want them. 4 00:00:11,873 --> 00:00:14,575 They were, in life, unwanted brats. 5 00:00:14,576 --> 00:00:15,739 Did it scare the kids? 6 00:00:15,740 --> 00:00:18,098 Oh, yeah. They were frightened. 7 00:00:18,099 --> 00:00:22,128 There was something I saw that scared me. 8 00:00:22,129 --> 00:00:24,706 You could see what looked like a head peeking out. 9 00:00:24,707 --> 00:00:26,720 If you had a kid, would you let them come here? 10 00:00:26,721 --> 00:00:28,376 Probably not. 11 00:00:28,377 --> 00:00:31,917 Things are really messed up. 12 00:00:34,516 --> 00:00:36,555 There's something down there. 13 00:00:36,556 --> 00:00:38,507 My name.. 14 00:00:38,508 --> 00:00:40,609 Is Amy Allan. 15 00:00:40,610 --> 00:00:42,809 A lot of dead people are here. 16 00:00:42,810 --> 00:00:44,001 I see dead people. 17 00:00:44,002 --> 00:00:45,682 This is not good. 18 00:00:45,683 --> 00:00:47,751 I speak to dead people. 19 00:00:47,752 --> 00:00:49,463 He is very pissed off. 20 00:00:49,464 --> 00:00:51,000 And they speak to me. 21 00:00:51,001 --> 00:00:52,309 The house is angry. 22 00:00:52,310 --> 00:00:55,770 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 23 00:00:55,771 --> 00:00:57,577 He's killed people. 24 00:00:57,578 --> 00:00:59,030 I rely on my partner. 25 00:00:59,031 --> 00:01:00,304 I'm Steve Dischiavi. 26 00:01:00,305 --> 00:01:02,550 I'm a retired New York City homicide Detective. 27 00:01:02,551 --> 00:01:03,940 He got shot at his house? 28 00:01:03,941 --> 00:01:06,919 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 29 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,267 Aren't you terrified, being here? 30 00:01:08,268 --> 00:01:09,621 It's my job to reveal 'em. 31 00:01:09,622 --> 00:01:11,686 That sounds like something out of The Exorcist. 32 00:01:11,687 --> 00:01:13,797 But Steve and I never speak.. 33 00:01:13,798 --> 00:01:15,820 We never communicate during an investigation.. 34 00:01:15,821 --> 00:01:17,161 Until the very end.. 35 00:01:17,162 --> 00:01:18,498 That's bad. 36 00:01:18,499 --> 00:01:20,586 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay.. 37 00:01:20,587 --> 00:01:21,943 I'd like some answers. 38 00:01:21,944 --> 00:01:24,944 Or time to get out. 39 00:01:48,990 --> 00:01:52,060 Amy and I work independently from one another. 40 00:01:52,061 --> 00:01:54,062 It's my job to sort fact from fiction 41 00:01:54,063 --> 00:01:57,652 with interviews, research, and hard evidence. 42 00:02:05,307 --> 00:02:07,409 I received a call from a woman named Rebecca 43 00:02:07,410 --> 00:02:10,878 who works at the Slocum House Theatre in Vancouver, Washington. 44 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:13,668 Apparently, there's some strange things going on in the building. 45 00:02:13,669 --> 00:02:16,081 But her biggest concern is the kids. 46 00:02:16,082 --> 00:02:17,844 They come there to see a theater show, 47 00:02:17,845 --> 00:02:19,988 and apparently, she thinks they're in danger. 48 00:02:19,989 --> 00:02:24,789 I'm gonna try to find out what's going on. 49 00:02:46,635 --> 00:02:48,491 As I approach this location, 50 00:02:48,492 --> 00:02:52,061 before I even open and invite the dead to communicate with me, 51 00:02:52,062 --> 00:02:57,042 I begin to get images flashing through my mind. 52 00:03:04,631 --> 00:03:09,673 Before Amy enters, I remove anything that could influence her investigation. 53 00:03:09,674 --> 00:03:12,708 This theater contains a lot of information that could be leading. 54 00:03:12,709 --> 00:03:18,609 I take my time to remove everything so the building is ready for tonight's walk. 55 00:03:58,734 --> 00:04:03,098 A lot of sadness here. A lot of sadness here. 56 00:04:03,099 --> 00:04:06,295 Things are really messed up. Um.. 57 00:04:06,296 --> 00:04:09,930 Uh, there's, like, chil.. A lot of children. 58 00:04:09,931 --> 00:04:12,881 Every medium has something that just creeps them out. 59 00:04:12,882 --> 00:04:15,135 And for me, it's dead children. 60 00:04:15,136 --> 00:04:16,742 Sometimes I try to tune them out, 61 00:04:16,743 --> 00:04:20,973 but there are just too many in this place to avoid them. 62 00:04:20,974 --> 00:04:25,270 They're running around and being happy and happy. 63 00:04:25,271 --> 00:04:28,275 Everything's fine and, uh.. 64 00:04:28,276 --> 00:04:30,524 But it's not. It's really not. 65 00:04:30,525 --> 00:04:32,308 And it's all.. 66 00:04:32,309 --> 00:04:35,369 Um, really messed up. 67 00:04:45,636 --> 00:04:49,199 The Slocum House is Vancouver's oldest community theater. 68 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,120 And after 20 years of being the company's vice president, 69 00:04:52,121 --> 00:04:55,273 Rebecca's grown very concerned about the safety of the children. 70 00:04:55,274 --> 00:05:01,174 So I'm going to meet with her and see how Amy and I can help out. 71 00:05:02,976 --> 00:05:04,790 Why do you need me and Amy to come in? 72 00:05:04,791 --> 00:05:08,593 We've noticed that the activity has increased recently. 73 00:05:08,594 --> 00:05:10,829 And, uh, mostly when the kids are here. 74 00:05:10,830 --> 00:05:13,208 And I think it's frightening the kids. 75 00:05:13,209 --> 00:05:15,889 We usually have two classes of kids in the summertime, 76 00:05:15,890 --> 00:05:18,755 and this year we didn't have any sign up at all. 77 00:05:18,756 --> 00:05:20,416 And I think they're just frightened to be here. 78 00:05:20,417 --> 00:05:22,573 Uh, what kind of things are going on? 79 00:05:22,574 --> 00:05:27,861 We've had apparitions, um, voices, um, things being moved. 80 00:05:27,862 --> 00:05:29,454 You know, a little bit of everything. 81 00:05:29,455 --> 00:05:31,719 Okay. Are you ever frightened when you're here? 82 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,640 Yeah. 83 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,596 Why would you stay here? 84 00:05:35,597 --> 00:05:36,485 It's my job. 85 00:05:36,486 --> 00:05:37,453 Okay. 86 00:05:37,454 --> 00:05:38,721 But your concern is for the kids. 87 00:05:38,722 --> 00:05:40,285 Absolutely for the kids. 88 00:05:40,286 --> 00:05:42,514 It dramatically increases when the kids are here. 89 00:05:42,515 --> 00:05:43,818 - Okay. - That's my main concern. 90 00:05:43,819 --> 00:05:45,903 I want the children safe. 91 00:05:45,904 --> 00:05:47,824 Okay. 92 00:06:00,846 --> 00:06:03,560 There's a lot of kids here. 93 00:06:03,561 --> 00:06:05,603 I don't like that if they're dead. 94 00:06:05,604 --> 00:06:07,877 Mm-hmm. Like, how many kids? 95 00:06:07,878 --> 00:06:08,735 10 to 20 kids. 96 00:06:08,736 --> 00:06:10,112 And are they all from the same period? 97 00:06:10,113 --> 00:06:13,747 - Like, are they all interacting and.. - Yeah, yeah. 98 00:06:13,748 --> 00:06:19,076 They're just being loud and running around, kind of torturing the adults here. 99 00:06:19,077 --> 00:06:22,497 They're just acting crazy. 100 00:06:36,516 --> 00:06:38,007 Uh, so, Rebecca, this is the theater? 101 00:06:38,008 --> 00:06:38,718 Yeah. 102 00:06:38,719 --> 00:06:40,001 Okay, what happens here? 103 00:06:40,002 --> 00:06:44,580 We were doing a show, and just as we were going for a curtain call and bowing, 104 00:06:44,581 --> 00:06:47,142 there was a vase of flowers on a bookshelf, 105 00:06:47,143 --> 00:06:51,442 and it flew off and landed center stage. 106 00:06:51,443 --> 00:06:52,468 But was anybody there? 107 00:06:52,469 --> 00:06:55,408 Nobody was there. We were all up front bowing. 108 00:06:55,409 --> 00:06:57,162 So I guess the audience sees this. 109 00:06:57,163 --> 00:06:59,091 Yeah, the audience did see it. 110 00:06:59,092 --> 00:07:01,000 What else happens in this room? 111 00:07:01,001 --> 00:07:03,256 There was this one time where the children were here, 112 00:07:03,257 --> 00:07:04,976 and we turn off all of the lights 113 00:07:04,977 --> 00:07:07,306 and they recite their lines to make sure they know them. 114 00:07:07,307 --> 00:07:10,479 And as they were doing that, they were looking on the stage, 115 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,646 and there were lights flying all over the place. 116 00:07:13,647 --> 00:07:14,938 And what did it look like to you? 117 00:07:14,939 --> 00:07:17,407 Actually, it looked.. Kind of looked like fireflies or something. 118 00:07:17,408 --> 00:07:19,828 And it had nothing to do with production lights or anything like that? 119 00:07:19,829 --> 00:07:21,535 No, no, no, it was totally dark in here. 120 00:07:21,536 --> 00:07:23,147 We turned all the lights off. 121 00:07:23,148 --> 00:07:24,295 Did it scare the kids? 122 00:07:24,296 --> 00:07:28,016 Oh, yeah. They were frightened. 123 00:07:33,554 --> 00:07:36,440 People here didn't want them. 124 00:07:36,441 --> 00:07:37,703 Their families didn't like 'em either. 125 00:07:37,704 --> 00:07:38,581 Mm-hmm. 126 00:07:38,582 --> 00:07:41,843 They were, in life, unwanted brats. 127 00:07:41,844 --> 00:07:44,125 They were.. 128 00:07:44,126 --> 00:07:47,112 Spoiled or, like, rotten, rotten. 129 00:07:47,113 --> 00:07:49,122 Did they live here or did they just come.. 130 00:07:49,123 --> 00:07:52,783 I don't know. I don't know. 131 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:58,654 I wonder why ** oh and, there's bunk beds. 132 00:08:01,151 --> 00:08:03,431 Bunk beds. 133 00:08:14,075 --> 00:08:15,875 Oh. 134 00:08:16,496 --> 00:08:20,036 Why? Why would you do this? 135 00:08:20,409 --> 00:08:22,861 There's, like, six.. 136 00:08:22,862 --> 00:08:24,348 Six of them. 137 00:08:24,349 --> 00:08:26,084 Six what? 138 00:08:26,085 --> 00:08:28,065 Girls. 139 00:08:30,191 --> 00:08:33,731 Things are really messed up. 140 00:08:47,128 --> 00:08:49,035 So, Rebecca, what happens down in here? 141 00:08:49,036 --> 00:08:50,810 Um, I've heard children laughing. 142 00:08:50,811 --> 00:08:53,281 - In the basement here? - Yes, in the basement. 143 00:08:53,282 --> 00:08:55,480 - Were there any kids in the building? - No, no. 144 00:08:55,481 --> 00:08:56,798 This was late at night. 145 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:00,110 It.. It sounded like there was two or three kids in the corner. 146 00:09:00,111 --> 00:09:03,255 And like they were playing a game and laughing with each other. 147 00:09:03,256 --> 00:09:06,801 And I.. I looked. Of course, there was nothing there. 148 00:09:06,802 --> 00:09:09,272 So is there anything else you might have heard or seen down here? 149 00:09:09,273 --> 00:09:14,613 I was down here by myself and I saw something shoot across in the back corner 150 00:09:14,614 --> 00:09:17,029 as if it were trying to hide from me or something. 151 00:09:17,030 --> 00:09:20,130 It looked like a younger teenage girl. 152 00:09:20,131 --> 00:09:23,431 That's interesting. Okay. 153 00:09:29,602 --> 00:09:32,715 I hear someone running. 154 00:09:32,716 --> 00:09:36,616 A girl running down this hallway. 155 00:09:37,924 --> 00:09:43,824 There's a young girl, uh, and she's yelling at another girl. 156 00:09:44,925 --> 00:09:46,728 They're teenagers. 157 00:09:46,729 --> 00:09:52,629 She wants her to leave her alone, and she's a stupid [Beep]. 158 00:09:53,082 --> 00:09:54,545 There's, like, three s.. 159 00:09:54,546 --> 00:09:57,066 Three sisters. 160 00:09:57,125 --> 00:10:00,108 There's one in particular, um.. 161 00:10:00,109 --> 00:10:05,200 And she's probably, like, 18 or something, and blonde hair, brown eyes. 162 00:10:05,201 --> 00:10:08,141 She's, like, 5'2.. 163 00:10:09,229 --> 00:10:12,529 And she's crying a lot. 164 00:10:20,615 --> 00:10:23,971 What can you tell me about the house that could help me in my investigation? 165 00:10:23,972 --> 00:10:27,099 This is not the original location of the house. 166 00:10:27,100 --> 00:10:30,948 The house was actually located about a block over and down a little bit. 167 00:10:30,949 --> 00:10:33,785 And we had it moved here in 1966. 168 00:10:33,786 --> 00:10:35,213 So we're really close to where it was. 169 00:10:35,214 --> 00:10:36,631 Exactly, yeah. 170 00:10:36,632 --> 00:10:38,016 What about this basement? 171 00:10:38,017 --> 00:10:39,800 At the old site, there was no basement. 172 00:10:39,801 --> 00:10:41,948 This we did. 173 00:10:41,949 --> 00:10:45,249 This was all underground. 174 00:10:51,848 --> 00:10:55,148 Well, I guess.. Do this. 175 00:11:00,392 --> 00:11:02,552 Oh, uh.. 176 00:11:02,819 --> 00:11:04,844 I don't like it. 177 00:11:04,845 --> 00:11:06,194 What's wrong? 178 00:11:06,195 --> 00:11:10,695 I don't know. I don't like it in here. 179 00:11:12,633 --> 00:11:17,373 I, like, felt like I walked through a wall. 180 00:11:18,299 --> 00:11:19,670 Oh. 181 00:11:19,671 --> 00:11:23,691 And then I got scared, because I.. 182 00:11:28,036 --> 00:11:32,596 There was something I saw that scared me. 183 00:11:33,662 --> 00:11:36,834 Someone here hates children. 184 00:11:36,835 --> 00:11:39,115 Hates 'em. 185 00:11:53,372 --> 00:11:56,753 There was something I saw.. 186 00:11:56,754 --> 00:11:59,394 That scared me. 187 00:12:02,041 --> 00:12:03,626 And it went down. 188 00:12:03,627 --> 00:12:07,202 It got sucked into the ground. 189 00:12:07,203 --> 00:12:10,396 It was a big guy, I think. A big guy. 190 00:12:10,397 --> 00:12:12,666 Yeah, uh.. 191 00:12:12,667 --> 00:12:18,067 I don't like him, and that kind of made me nervous. 192 00:12:28,741 --> 00:12:31,610 So the guy went in the.. 193 00:12:31,611 --> 00:12:34,311 Into the floor.. 194 00:12:36,727 --> 00:12:39,279 Uh, over in here. 195 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,792 And he's running because he doesn't want to be bothered. 196 00:12:43,793 --> 00:12:47,393 He is kinda scary, this guy. 197 00:12:51,417 --> 00:12:52,899 He's like 7 feet tall. 198 00:12:52,900 --> 00:12:55,988 He's huge, and he's, like, really broad.. 199 00:12:55,989 --> 00:12:58,809 A big, broad guy. 200 00:13:06,788 --> 00:13:08,318 Kim, thanks for meeting with me. 201 00:13:08,319 --> 00:13:09,883 Uh, I spoke with Rebecca. 202 00:13:09,884 --> 00:13:13,345 Uh, she told me what was going on and some of the concerns she has. 203 00:13:13,346 --> 00:13:15,712 Have you experienced anything or seen anything? 204 00:13:15,713 --> 00:13:20,578 Yeah, um, mostly, I don't like coming down to the basement by myself, 205 00:13:20,579 --> 00:13:24,555 because it just makes me feel really nervous down here. 206 00:13:24,556 --> 00:13:28,636 I was closing, uh, the cellar door, 207 00:13:29,875 --> 00:13:35,775 and a man, very distinctly, in a brown suit, short cut, steel-gray hair, 208 00:13:36,902 --> 00:13:40,675 kind of stocky, walking directly under there, 209 00:13:40,676 --> 00:13:42,588 and I said, "hey, what are you doing?" 210 00:13:42,589 --> 00:13:45,075 Because I thought it was somebody downstairs taking a tour. 211 00:13:45,076 --> 00:13:48,379 And I looked around, and there was nobody down here. 212 00:13:48,380 --> 00:13:50,981 Anything else that you've seen in the basement? 213 00:13:50,982 --> 00:13:55,907 There's a.. A.. An old air vent that's, um, right in the ceiling here. 214 00:13:55,908 --> 00:13:58,004 And I cover it with a piece of paper 215 00:13:58,005 --> 00:14:01,312 when I'm doing a show because it makes me nervous. 216 00:14:01,313 --> 00:14:06,824 It feels like, you know, things kind of seep up into it 217 00:14:06,825 --> 00:14:09,969 and mess with my lights. 218 00:14:09,970 --> 00:14:15,870 Th.. Things don't work properly when, you know, when I'm up there. 219 00:14:34,259 --> 00:14:37,559 This big guy, you know.. 220 00:14:38,489 --> 00:14:42,463 And, you know, if there's a sensitive, occasionally, they're gonna see him. 221 00:14:42,464 --> 00:14:45,922 And he, uh, he was probably like 5'7.. 222 00:14:45,923 --> 00:14:49,720 But he was a pretty.. Pretty stocky guy. 223 00:14:49,721 --> 00:14:54,337 In death, entities can project themselves the way they want to be seen. 224 00:14:54,338 --> 00:14:56,544 The 7-foot man I encountered in the basement 225 00:14:56,545 --> 00:15:00,505 was really only 5'7 when he was alive. 226 00:15:00,506 --> 00:15:03,866 He doesn't like children. 227 00:15:04,970 --> 00:15:08,150 He might be aggressive. 228 00:15:08,994 --> 00:15:13,014 And he, like, shakes 'em sometimes. 229 00:15:19,636 --> 00:15:22,118 There's a really uncomfortable feeling up here. 230 00:15:22,119 --> 00:15:24,971 The men's costume room right behind you, 231 00:15:24,972 --> 00:15:27,863 I always feel like there's a man in there or there's a male presence. 232 00:15:27,864 --> 00:15:30,753 It's.. It's.. I just feel like I'm being followed. 233 00:15:30,754 --> 00:15:32,351 Did you ever experience anything? 234 00:15:32,352 --> 00:15:37,121 Yes, one time during a show, um, we could hear what sounded like kids running, 235 00:15:37,122 --> 00:15:40,866 um, things getting knocked over, shoes dropping. 236 00:15:40,867 --> 00:15:45,147 So we came up to investigate and we didn't see anybody up here, 237 00:15:45,148 --> 00:15:48,760 but the two other people I was with, um, were looking down the hall, 238 00:15:48,761 --> 00:15:52,570 and they could see what looked like a head, you know, peeking out. 239 00:15:52,571 --> 00:15:53,776 Kim, I don't understand. You're.. You're.. 240 00:15:53,777 --> 00:15:55,245 - Uncomfortable in the basement. - Right. 241 00:15:55,246 --> 00:15:56,965 - You're uncomfortable up here. - Mm-hmm. 242 00:15:56,966 --> 00:15:58,939 There's things going on in the theater level. 243 00:15:58,940 --> 00:16:00,278 Why would you stay here? 244 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:03,044 I.. I come here because I like doing what I'm doing. 245 00:16:03,045 --> 00:16:08,945 And it's one of those pride things, you're not gonna let it beat you. 246 00:16:11,096 --> 00:16:13,144 I'm getting really mad. 247 00:16:13,145 --> 00:16:13,945 You're getting what? 248 00:16:13,946 --> 00:16:16,302 - Angry. - Why? 249 00:16:16,303 --> 00:16:20,623 Because they're not being clear about.. 250 00:16:23,068 --> 00:16:25,708 What they want. 251 00:16:33,533 --> 00:16:35,884 Shaun, I understand you were the stage manager here at some point. 252 00:16:35,885 --> 00:16:36,881 That's correct. 253 00:16:36,882 --> 00:16:38,472 Let me ask you a question about Rebecca and Kim. 254 00:16:38,473 --> 00:16:41,774 I mean, are.. Are they legit? They crazy? What's the story? 255 00:16:41,775 --> 00:16:44,234 Nothing about them, to me, would seem crazy. 256 00:16:44,235 --> 00:16:45,452 Okay. 257 00:16:45,453 --> 00:16:49,520 Do you, uh, know, if, uh, when kids have been present, has anything happened 258 00:16:49,521 --> 00:16:50,353 once the kids are here? 259 00:16:50,354 --> 00:16:53,169 When the kids are here, it definitely wakes the house up. 260 00:16:53,170 --> 00:16:54,713 Did you have anything happen here? 261 00:16:54,714 --> 00:17:00,614 I will hear my name being called, usually from this point, from the greenroom. 262 00:17:01,507 --> 00:17:03,010 It won't be like a, "hey, Shaun. " 263 00:17:03,011 --> 00:17:05,311 - It'll be.. - "Hey, Shaun. " 264 00:17:05,312 --> 00:17:08,612 And there's nobody here. 265 00:17:08,817 --> 00:17:10,095 What else happened? 266 00:17:10,096 --> 00:17:13,726 I've seen a man in the men's dressing room. 267 00:17:13,727 --> 00:17:17,472 He's standing in the window, almost to greet you. 268 00:17:17,473 --> 00:17:19,035 - Shaun, if you had a kid.. - Mm-hmm. 269 00:17:19,036 --> 00:17:21,239 A young kid, would you let them come here? 270 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,700 Probably not. 271 00:17:25,771 --> 00:17:28,131 It's an old man. 272 00:17:28,132 --> 00:17:30,772 Ooh. He's old. 273 00:17:31,194 --> 00:17:36,993 And he, uh, is tired of children, because he thought they were rotten. 274 00:17:36,994 --> 00:17:40,088 All I know is that old man didn't like 'em. 275 00:17:40,089 --> 00:17:42,853 He initially liked children. 276 00:17:42,854 --> 00:17:46,070 And then he grew to hate them. 277 00:17:46,071 --> 00:17:47,748 There's some mental illness here. 278 00:17:47,749 --> 00:17:48,832 Yeah, crazy. 279 00:17:48,833 --> 00:17:50,424 "Crazy" in big letters. 280 00:17:50,425 --> 00:17:51,860 - What does that mean? - It's just "crazy" 281 00:17:51,861 --> 00:17:53,403 in big letters. That's what I see. 282 00:17:53,404 --> 00:17:54,275 "Crazy. " 283 00:17:54,276 --> 00:17:56,150 Where do you see that? 284 00:17:56,151 --> 00:17:58,587 Like, just words written on a plaque. 285 00:17:58,588 --> 00:18:00,688 "Crazy. " 286 00:18:11,853 --> 00:18:13,543 There's some mental illness here. 287 00:18:13,544 --> 00:18:14,816 Yeah, crazy. 288 00:18:14,817 --> 00:18:17,250 "Crazy" in big letters. 289 00:18:17,251 --> 00:18:19,351 "Crazy. " 290 00:18:23,778 --> 00:18:26,563 There are plenty of crazy sightings at the Slocum Theatre. 291 00:18:26,564 --> 00:18:28,808 But before I start digging into its past, 292 00:18:28,809 --> 00:18:31,756 I want to make sure there's nothing structurally wrong with the house. 293 00:18:31,757 --> 00:18:34,321 That might cause things to just move on their own. 294 00:18:34,322 --> 00:18:36,551 It's a long shot, but I've called in a building inspector 295 00:18:36,552 --> 00:18:40,332 to give the house a once-over. 296 00:18:40,967 --> 00:18:42,540 Kurt, thanks for coming out to meet me. 297 00:18:42,541 --> 00:18:43,554 Absolutely. 298 00:18:43,555 --> 00:18:46,815 There's claims of objects moving from one side of a room to another, 299 00:18:46,816 --> 00:18:49,422 stuff falling off shelves for no reason. 300 00:18:49,423 --> 00:18:51,624 What I need to find out, and I know it's a long shot, 301 00:18:51,625 --> 00:18:54,605 is if there's anything structurally in this house that would cause that. 302 00:18:54,606 --> 00:18:57,556 For something to move all the way across a room, 303 00:18:57,557 --> 00:18:59,680 we'd have to have something pretty dramatic. 304 00:18:59,681 --> 00:19:05,321 I would think we'd be able to find that if it's here. 305 00:19:11,567 --> 00:19:13,735 With over 20 years on the police Department, 306 00:19:13,736 --> 00:19:15,943 I know that you have to rule out the obvious first. 307 00:19:15,944 --> 00:19:18,859 Since the house was moved, I'm hoping that'll explain 308 00:19:18,860 --> 00:19:23,000 why things have been shifting around. 309 00:19:35,744 --> 00:19:37,383 So, Kurt, what did you find out? 310 00:19:37,384 --> 00:19:43,284 Well, I didn't find anything that would justify the items falling off shelves 311 00:19:43,477 --> 00:19:45,854 or being moved from one side of the room to another. 312 00:19:45,855 --> 00:19:50,809 We have some slight areas of unevenness that are not level, 313 00:19:50,810 --> 00:19:52,601 but nothing like you're describing. 314 00:19:52,602 --> 00:19:54,042 So there's nothing extreme here. 315 00:19:54,043 --> 00:19:56,683 Nothing extreme. 316 00:19:58,156 --> 00:20:00,922 Now that I know the Slocum Theatre is structurally sound, 317 00:20:00,923 --> 00:20:03,843 I've gotta start digging into who lived and died here. 318 00:20:03,844 --> 00:20:09,744 So I'm going to speak with a local writer who knows this town inside and out. 319 00:20:14,687 --> 00:20:16,335 Jeff, thanks for taking the time to meet with me. 320 00:20:16,336 --> 00:20:17,671 I appreciate it. 321 00:20:17,672 --> 00:20:20,609 Uh, I know you've written several books, uh, about 322 00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:22,186 the Vancouver, Washington, area. 323 00:20:22,187 --> 00:20:24,853 My interest is in the Slocum House Theatre. 324 00:20:24,854 --> 00:20:27,028 I was wondering if you could help me out with that. 325 00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:32,458 The Slocum House was built by Charles and Laura Slocum in the late 1870s. 326 00:20:32,459 --> 00:20:35,260 You know, you can tell, they're obviously well-to-do people, 327 00:20:35,261 --> 00:20:36,905 and I can imagine them, when they first got married, 328 00:20:36,906 --> 00:20:40,934 being really, really happy together, buying that big, huge house lot, 329 00:20:40,935 --> 00:20:43,832 and then ten years later, starting to build their dream house 330 00:20:43,833 --> 00:20:46,934 for a whole bunch of kids and cousins and things. 331 00:20:46,935 --> 00:20:49,784 And yet, as life went on, they didn't have any children. 332 00:20:49,785 --> 00:20:51,991 Obviously, the house is built for a large family. 333 00:20:51,992 --> 00:20:53,073 It.. It was. 334 00:20:53,074 --> 00:20:57,846 And.. And Charles was gone a lot, and so she was really kind of stuck, 335 00:20:57,847 --> 00:21:01,352 and she more or less adopted all the neighborhood children as surrogates. 336 00:21:01,353 --> 00:21:03,672 So there would be birthday parties all the time, 337 00:21:03,673 --> 00:21:05,819 and little plays for the children, 338 00:21:05,820 --> 00:21:11,720 and.. And I think any occasion she could find, she would bring the children in. 339 00:21:14,718 --> 00:21:18,018 This one lady, she was.. 340 00:21:18,641 --> 00:21:21,126 She was trapped, um, and didn't like her life, 341 00:21:21,127 --> 00:21:26,129 and, uh, uh, there's like chil.. A lot of children. 342 00:21:26,130 --> 00:21:29,137 I don't know if they're dead unwanted brats. 343 00:21:29,138 --> 00:21:31,070 I'm hoping they're just residual. 344 00:21:31,071 --> 00:21:34,145 Aren't the kids a part of this family here? 345 00:21:34,146 --> 00:21:34,904 Nope. 346 00:21:34,905 --> 00:21:36,109 They come from somewhere else? 347 00:21:36,110 --> 00:21:38,030 Yeah. 348 00:21:41,147 --> 00:21:43,175 Do you know what the reason was why they didn't have any kids? 349 00:21:43,176 --> 00:21:45,739 No, I honestly don't know, but they both started a little late. 350 00:21:45,740 --> 00:21:48,012 He was almost 30, and she was in her mid 20s, 351 00:21:48,013 --> 00:21:50,293 which, for back then, that was pretty old. 352 00:21:50,294 --> 00:21:51,083 Right. 353 00:21:51,084 --> 00:21:53,119 Uh, but Charles was away a lot. 354 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:59,020 I mean, he had business interests all the way into Idaho, places like that. 355 00:22:03,066 --> 00:22:08,300 This man, he just wants to be away, and so he goes away a lot. 356 00:22:08,301 --> 00:22:13,941 He's unhappy that, uh, this is how his life turned out. 357 00:22:19,731 --> 00:22:22,016 Now what I need to do is dig into the property's history 358 00:22:22,017 --> 00:22:24,691 before the Slocums were there. 359 00:22:24,692 --> 00:22:27,127 I'm headed over to the Clark County historical museum. 360 00:22:27,128 --> 00:22:32,108 Hopefully, I'm gonna get some leads over there. 361 00:22:32,465 --> 00:22:38,099 In a case that dates back to the 1800s, it's hard to find solid evidence. 362 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:41,722 But I'm able to uncover two pieces of info. 363 00:22:41,723 --> 00:22:46,576 A guy named Amos Short once owned the land where the theater sits. 364 00:22:46,577 --> 00:22:52,477 And he was involved in a bloody land dispute resulting in two deaths. 365 00:22:57,516 --> 00:23:00,902 They're putting bags on dead people. 366 00:23:00,903 --> 00:23:03,789 And there's all these bugs. 367 00:23:03,790 --> 00:23:08,770 And it smells because their bodies were rotting. 368 00:23:09,428 --> 00:23:12,668 It was just really bad. 369 00:23:30,253 --> 00:23:33,587 They're putting bags on dead people. 370 00:23:33,588 --> 00:23:34,785 And, uh.. 371 00:23:34,786 --> 00:23:37,627 And there's all these bugs. 372 00:23:37,628 --> 00:23:42,608 And it smells because their bodies were rotting. 373 00:23:46,740 --> 00:23:49,386 I finally got some solid leads at the library. 374 00:23:49,387 --> 00:23:53,064 It turns out that a man named Amos Short had a legal claim to the property 375 00:23:53,065 --> 00:23:55,134 that the Slocum Theatre sits on. 376 00:23:55,135 --> 00:23:59,353 Some land developer called Hudson's Bay Company wanted him off. 377 00:23:59,354 --> 00:24:04,189 Apparently, Amos wasn't having it, and he shot two of their guys. 378 00:24:04,190 --> 00:24:05,921 Now I have to meet with a local historian 379 00:24:05,922 --> 00:24:10,542 to find out what led up to that incident. 380 00:24:18,982 --> 00:24:22,604 I found out about Amos and Esther Short, that lived on the property where 381 00:24:22,605 --> 00:24:24,344 the Slocum House Theatre is. 382 00:24:24,345 --> 00:24:25,086 Mm-hmm. 383 00:24:25,087 --> 00:24:27,952 What do you know about Amos and Esther Short? 384 00:24:27,953 --> 00:24:30,276 Well, Amos and Esther Short came out on.. 385 00:24:30,277 --> 00:24:33,277 On the Oregon trail. 386 00:24:34,209 --> 00:24:37,383 They eventually had, I think it was 12 children. 387 00:24:37,384 --> 00:24:41,957 And they filed a land claim, uh, where that house is located now, 388 00:24:41,958 --> 00:24:47,121 but there were competing, uh, individuals and organizations for that land. 389 00:24:47,122 --> 00:24:51,267 The Hudson's Bay Company was here, and they wanted the Shorts to leave. 390 00:24:51,268 --> 00:24:54,491 And when he was gone, Esther was harassed. 391 00:24:54,492 --> 00:24:57,081 It was an individual, Dr. Gardner, 392 00:24:57,082 --> 00:24:59,967 and a Hawaiian gentleman from the Hudson's Bay Company. 393 00:24:59,968 --> 00:25:02,258 They harassed her on a regular basis. 394 00:25:02,259 --> 00:25:04,494 Uh, destroyed their agricultural fields, 395 00:25:04,495 --> 00:25:06,392 and they burned her cabin down three times. 396 00:25:06,393 --> 00:25:11,019 I mean, there was a lot of harassment here. 397 00:25:11,020 --> 00:25:16,920 There was someone here who was a Doctor at some point, and this educated man 398 00:25:17,311 --> 00:25:20,251 did not like women. 399 00:25:21,089 --> 00:25:24,449 Didn't like them at all. 400 00:25:27,380 --> 00:25:30,844 Gardner and his assistant, uh, come on to the property. 401 00:25:30,845 --> 00:25:35,630 They have a confrontation with Amos, and then he gives 'em a verbal warning, 402 00:25:35,631 --> 00:25:37,269 asking them to leave. 403 00:25:37,270 --> 00:25:39,496 And then the shooting happens. 404 00:25:39,497 --> 00:25:40,958 And he winds up killing both of them. 405 00:25:40,959 --> 00:25:45,388 Right, right, and.. And he's acquitted of self-defense. 406 00:25:45,389 --> 00:25:48,962 So Amos Short killed the two men who tried to run him off his own land. 407 00:25:48,963 --> 00:25:53,196 But I need to know what happened to Amos and his wife after that. 408 00:25:53,197 --> 00:25:55,931 So I managed to track down a relative of Esther Short 409 00:25:55,932 --> 00:26:01,832 to see if she could provide me with more details regarding this case. 410 00:26:07,777 --> 00:26:10,298 What's your relationship to Esther Short? 411 00:26:10,299 --> 00:26:14,737 I'm about, uh, five generations down from Esther Short. 412 00:26:14,738 --> 00:26:18,981 This is, uh, Esther when she was a young woman. 413 00:26:18,982 --> 00:26:22,073 Now when Amos wasn't around, did they try getting her off the land? 414 00:26:22,074 --> 00:26:22,790 Oh, yes. 415 00:26:22,791 --> 00:26:25,983 I don't know how many times the Hudson Bay people, uh, 416 00:26:25,984 --> 00:26:28,091 put 'em on a raft and sent 'em down the river. 417 00:26:28,092 --> 00:26:30,453 Probably three or four times. 418 00:26:30,454 --> 00:26:31,719 - The kids.. - The kids. 419 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,795 - And her? - So it was in the middle of the winter. 420 00:26:34,796 --> 00:26:37,896 One of those times, she was pregnant when she was put on that raft. 421 00:26:37,897 --> 00:26:39,231 So these had to be pretty brutal men 422 00:26:39,232 --> 00:26:41,770 to do something like that to her and ten kids. 423 00:26:41,771 --> 00:26:45,438 I mean, it was just like they didn't exist. 424 00:26:45,439 --> 00:26:48,389 So Esther and Amos suffered some serious hardships. 425 00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:49,104 Oh, yeah. 426 00:26:49,105 --> 00:26:52,690 Amos was just determined he was gonna be here. 427 00:26:52,691 --> 00:26:56,722 But he went to, uh, San Francisco with a load of potatoes, 428 00:26:56,723 --> 00:27:00,164 and then on his way back, the whole ship went down, there were no survivors. 429 00:27:00,165 --> 00:27:01,014 Was it accidental? 430 00:27:01,015 --> 00:27:06,915 I do not know, but I suspect that had something to do with the antagonism. 431 00:27:17,114 --> 00:27:20,506 There was a.. A big event. 432 00:27:20,507 --> 00:27:25,129 Someone's lost and people are running all over. 433 00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:29,150 Inside the house, there's a panic. 434 00:27:32,458 --> 00:27:36,437 I feel like the person who's lost is a male. 435 00:27:36,438 --> 00:27:42,338 Uh, they're scared because this male, uh, they would be lost, uh, without him. 436 00:27:46,833 --> 00:27:49,404 Now what happened to Esther after Amos died? 437 00:27:49,405 --> 00:27:52,144 She had to take care of her kids. 438 00:27:52,145 --> 00:27:54,626 She eventually ended up having two different hotels. 439 00:27:54,627 --> 00:27:58,706 She ran those, and she did everything she could to make it succeed. 440 00:27:58,707 --> 00:28:02,047 And I think she was tough enough and strong enough 441 00:28:02,048 --> 00:28:03,928 that she was absolutely determined 442 00:28:03,929 --> 00:28:08,969 that she was gonna leave a legacy for her kids. 443 00:28:19,415 --> 00:28:22,058 I came across several dead people on my walk. 444 00:28:22,059 --> 00:28:25,724 But I decided to have a sketch artist draw the most prominent one, 445 00:28:25,725 --> 00:28:28,485 the angry Doctor. 446 00:28:30,567 --> 00:28:32,982 There was a male. 447 00:28:32,983 --> 00:28:36,523 He had a heart-shaped face. 448 00:28:42,437 --> 00:28:45,200 Um, what can you tell me about his nose? 449 00:28:45,201 --> 00:28:47,361 It starts pretty high. 450 00:28:47,362 --> 00:28:50,782 The bridge is pretty high. 451 00:28:51,299 --> 00:28:54,891 Did it look sort of like that roughly? 452 00:28:54,892 --> 00:28:56,195 Proportion-wise and everything? 453 00:28:56,196 --> 00:28:58,560 I think his nose is a little thinner. 454 00:28:58,561 --> 00:28:59,369 A little thinner. Okay. 455 00:28:59,370 --> 00:29:01,290 Yeah. 456 00:29:02,249 --> 00:29:05,485 What can you tell me about his eyes? 457 00:29:05,486 --> 00:29:10,004 They're deep set and they're a little bit far apart. 458 00:29:10,005 --> 00:29:12,041 And what can you tell me about his hairdo? 459 00:29:12,042 --> 00:29:15,160 It came down pretty.. Pretty low. 460 00:29:15,161 --> 00:29:18,881 Then it's all slick.. Slicked. 461 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,960 Sort of like that? 462 00:29:27,685 --> 00:29:29,545 Yes. 463 00:29:54,995 --> 00:29:57,257 Amy and I work independently of one another. 464 00:29:57,258 --> 00:30:01,719 Tonight we'll be discussing our findings for the first time. 465 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,390 Well, guys, it's good to see you again. 466 00:30:03,391 --> 00:30:05,337 Uh, this is my partner.. Amy. 467 00:30:05,338 --> 00:30:06,316 - Hi. - Hi. 468 00:30:06,317 --> 00:30:08,474 They run a theater show for the kids. 469 00:30:08,475 --> 00:30:09,754 Correct. 470 00:30:09,755 --> 00:30:13,270 Apparently, whenever kids are in the theater, 471 00:30:13,271 --> 00:30:16,859 activity in the house goes through the roof. 472 00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:18,115 And it's a big concern for them. 473 00:30:18,116 --> 00:30:20,726 They're worried about the kids and to see if they're safe. 474 00:30:20,727 --> 00:30:22,775 So with that being said, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy 475 00:30:22,776 --> 00:30:26,754 and find out what happened on her walk. 476 00:30:26,755 --> 00:30:29,404 Well, it was really interesting because I had, um, 477 00:30:29,405 --> 00:30:32,688 physical sensations that were a little unusual. 478 00:30:32,689 --> 00:30:35,314 It felt like I was walking through walls. 479 00:30:35,315 --> 00:30:41,215 And that was downstairs in the entrance to the changing area, I guess. 480 00:30:42,017 --> 00:30:46,397 Like I hit the wall, and then it gave. 481 00:30:46,692 --> 00:30:49,812 Uh, I don't like it. 482 00:30:50,202 --> 00:30:52,722 What's wrong? 483 00:30:54,118 --> 00:30:58,078 And that kind of made me nervous. 484 00:31:01,603 --> 00:31:06,614 The interesting thing is that there used to be a wall there. 485 00:31:06,615 --> 00:31:09,324 We have recently redone that whole basement. 486 00:31:09,325 --> 00:31:13,845 And there was another room down there that we actually got rid of completely. 487 00:31:13,846 --> 00:31:15,335 Oh, wow. Okay. 488 00:31:15,336 --> 00:31:19,861 The house was moved in 1966 from where it originally was. 489 00:31:19,862 --> 00:31:20,572 Mm-hmm. 490 00:31:20,573 --> 00:31:22,738 And it didn't have a basement originally. 491 00:31:22,739 --> 00:31:23,621 No. 492 00:31:23,622 --> 00:31:25,605 So it was all dirt there. 493 00:31:25,606 --> 00:31:28,366 - Really? - Yeah. 494 00:31:33,334 --> 00:31:39,234 I also began to feel um, a real sense of despair and depression and loss. 495 00:31:42,067 --> 00:31:47,967 And then I met this younger female who was feeling this way. 496 00:31:48,425 --> 00:31:54,325 And it seemed to have a lot to do with her and her family. 497 00:31:54,979 --> 00:31:57,430 She was missing her husband. 498 00:31:57,431 --> 00:32:00,452 - He was always gone and traveling and.. - Hmm. 499 00:32:00,453 --> 00:32:03,800 I think she really, really loved him a lot. 500 00:32:03,801 --> 00:32:07,951 I got a picture of, uh, Charles and Laura Slocum. 501 00:32:07,952 --> 00:32:11,046 They met here in town. They got married. 502 00:32:11,047 --> 00:32:12,680 They built that house. 503 00:32:12,681 --> 00:32:16,253 Now obviously the house is big, and you would think they built a house that big 504 00:32:16,254 --> 00:32:17,251 because they were gonna have kids. 505 00:32:17,252 --> 00:32:19,883 So they didn't have any kids. We don't know really why. 506 00:32:19,884 --> 00:32:21,835 Interesting. 507 00:32:21,836 --> 00:32:27,736 A lot of sadness, very depressing, like nobody was ever really happy here. 508 00:32:30,466 --> 00:32:33,642 He used to go away a lot on business and then come back. 509 00:32:33,643 --> 00:32:36,935 She used to do a lot of events in the house for the kids in the neighborhood. 510 00:32:36,936 --> 00:32:42,396 Apparently, uh, it filled the void of not having kids. 511 00:32:45,822 --> 00:32:48,790 Once when I was in the theater, um, I was sitting there, 512 00:32:48,791 --> 00:32:53,039 and this apparition of this woman came walking past me. 513 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,992 And she had long hair, and she.. 514 00:32:54,993 --> 00:32:56,008 She didn't acknowledge me. 515 00:32:56,009 --> 00:32:59,518 She just kept walking right past. 516 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,242 And you think it's her? 517 00:33:01,243 --> 00:33:04,843 I do. I do think it's her. 518 00:33:07,541 --> 00:33:09,728 So, Amy, what else did you see on your walk? 519 00:33:09,729 --> 00:33:15,189 I came into contact with residual imprints of children. 520 00:33:19,007 --> 00:33:23,900 People here didn't want them because they were.. 521 00:33:23,901 --> 00:33:24,891 Spoiled. 522 00:33:24,892 --> 00:33:28,912 They were, in life, unwanted brats. 523 00:33:30,348 --> 00:33:33,792 And there were at least ten of them. 524 00:33:33,793 --> 00:33:39,014 They were running, yelling and screaming and jumping and.. 525 00:33:39,015 --> 00:33:44,094 Any adult, they're like, on, and, um, wanting attention, and.. 526 00:33:44,095 --> 00:33:49,513 Yeah, it was kind of overwhelming, just, like, how much, how loud, how active 527 00:33:49,514 --> 00:33:51,562 these kids were. 528 00:33:51,563 --> 00:33:54,242 We tend to hear noises, especially when kids are present, 529 00:33:54,243 --> 00:34:00,143 and, uh, Shaun and Rebecca saw what looked like a smaller head.. 530 00:34:00,317 --> 00:34:01,367 Kind of peeking around. 531 00:34:01,368 --> 00:34:04,138 I just opened the door and said, "okay, you guys, knock it off. " 532 00:34:04,139 --> 00:34:06,578 "We have a show. We need you to stop making noise. " 533 00:34:06,579 --> 00:34:10,599 And, uh, yeah, nobody was upstairs. 534 00:34:16,781 --> 00:34:20,621 I also saw an elderly gentleman. 535 00:34:22,304 --> 00:34:24,272 He traveled all the time. 536 00:34:24,273 --> 00:34:27,108 Then I got the educated man. 537 00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:30,109 He hated women and.. 538 00:34:30,662 --> 00:34:33,962 He didn't like children. 539 00:34:37,101 --> 00:34:39,492 You know, I went back a lot further than the Slocums. 540 00:34:39,493 --> 00:34:44,307 Uh, the land that house sat on was originally owned by, uh, 541 00:34:44,308 --> 00:34:46,038 Amos and Esther Short. 542 00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:48,676 Uh, it wasn't even U.S. soil at the.. At the time. 543 00:34:48,677 --> 00:34:51,735 And they were in a battle with the Hudson Bay Company. 544 00:34:51,736 --> 00:34:53,087 They didn't want them here. 545 00:34:53,088 --> 00:34:55,254 They claimed the land here, that it was theirs. 546 00:34:55,255 --> 00:35:00,595 When Amos would go off on business, Esther was left alone with the ten kids. 547 00:35:00,596 --> 00:35:03,948 Hudson Bay Company did everything they could to get rid of her. 548 00:35:03,949 --> 00:35:05,601 They destroyed the crops. 549 00:35:05,602 --> 00:35:08,014 They burned their cabin three times. 550 00:35:08,015 --> 00:35:11,613 Even went as far as, two times, putting her and the ten kids in a boat 551 00:35:11,614 --> 00:35:13,391 and sticking them on the river with no oars. 552 00:35:13,392 --> 00:35:15,312 What? 553 00:35:17,821 --> 00:35:19,405 "Take care. " 554 00:35:19,406 --> 00:35:22,346 That's pretty sick. 555 00:35:26,352 --> 00:35:29,584 Shaun, tell Amy about the guy you see in the window. 556 00:35:29,585 --> 00:35:32,150 I'm wondering if he could be one of the three guys Amy saw. 557 00:35:32,151 --> 00:35:36,669 Every time I walk into the side door of the theater, 558 00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:42,570 the men's costume room window, a man is standing there watching me. 559 00:35:45,757 --> 00:35:47,481 And it's just this.. 560 00:35:47,482 --> 00:35:50,662 Wyatt Earp-looking man. 561 00:35:54,022 --> 00:35:56,058 Amy, you sketched one of the men you saw, right? 562 00:35:56,059 --> 00:35:58,999 Yes. Um, I sketched 563 00:35:59,356 --> 00:36:01,933 who I felt was the educated man. 564 00:36:01,934 --> 00:36:04,934 He hated women and.. 565 00:36:05,886 --> 00:36:08,819 He didn't like children. 566 00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:13,920 You know what? Let's take a look at the sketch. 567 00:36:27,477 --> 00:36:30,357 That's who I see. 568 00:36:38,435 --> 00:36:40,607 Amy, you sketched one of the men you saw, right? 569 00:36:40,608 --> 00:36:42,505 - Yes, I did. - Okay. 570 00:36:42,506 --> 00:36:47,246 I sketched who I felt was the educated man. 571 00:36:54,122 --> 00:36:57,002 What do you think? 572 00:37:00,739 --> 00:37:02,599 Wow. 573 00:37:03,980 --> 00:37:05,900 Yeah. 574 00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:17,380 That's him. 575 00:37:18,082 --> 00:37:23,002 That's the man that watches me in the window. 576 00:37:26,134 --> 00:37:29,914 Everything about it is spot-on. 577 00:37:30,018 --> 00:37:33,931 Oh, man, the hair is just ridiculous. That's.. 578 00:37:33,932 --> 00:37:35,251 That's it. 579 00:37:35,252 --> 00:37:37,381 The hair was very specific, so.. 580 00:37:37,382 --> 00:37:38,474 Yeah. 581 00:37:38,475 --> 00:37:40,947 Well, there's a lot more to the story. 582 00:37:40,948 --> 00:37:46,848 Um, as far as Amos goes, at one point, Amos was home, and.. Two men came again 583 00:37:50,582 --> 00:37:52,123 to try to get him off the property. 584 00:37:52,124 --> 00:37:52,940 Ahh. 585 00:37:52,941 --> 00:37:55,571 He told them, "don't come on my land" 586 00:37:55,572 --> 00:37:58,432 "or I'm gonna shoot. " 587 00:37:58,433 --> 00:38:01,525 Gave 'em a warning shot. 588 00:38:01,526 --> 00:38:03,191 They didn't listen. 589 00:38:03,192 --> 00:38:06,055 Two more shots, and he killed both men. 590 00:38:06,056 --> 00:38:08,270 And it happened right outside the door of the house. 591 00:38:08,271 --> 00:38:09,957 - Oh, my gosh. - Wow. 592 00:38:09,958 --> 00:38:12,983 Now both of them worked for the Hudson Bay Company. 593 00:38:12,984 --> 00:38:18,884 One guy was named Dr. Gardner, and, uh, his assistant, a Hawaiian guy. 594 00:38:19,467 --> 00:38:24,816 There was someone here who was a Doctor at some point. 595 00:38:24,817 --> 00:38:27,280 He hates the girls, like, the teenage girls. 596 00:38:27,281 --> 00:38:29,173 Just hates 'em. 597 00:38:29,174 --> 00:38:32,834 Hates 'em so much. Hates 'em. 598 00:38:32,839 --> 00:38:36,419 Unfortunately, there is no photo of Dr. David Gardner. 599 00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:39,430 I don't know who this educated man that I saw was, 600 00:38:39,431 --> 00:38:42,252 but I do know that he hated women. 601 00:38:42,253 --> 00:38:44,680 He died in 1850. 602 00:38:44,681 --> 00:38:46,804 Hardly anybody's picture was taken back then. 603 00:38:46,805 --> 00:38:51,638 But it's obvious that you and Amy saw the same guy. 604 00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:53,177 That's him. 605 00:38:53,178 --> 00:38:54,469 Yeah. 606 00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:59,861 A Doctor is obviously an educated man, especially in the 1850s. 607 00:38:59,862 --> 00:39:02,502 Now, Amy, you said this man hated children? 608 00:39:02,503 --> 00:39:04,963 Mm-hmm. Yes. 609 00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:15,267 Well, we many never know if it's really Dr. Gardner 610 00:39:15,268 --> 00:39:17,086 who's scaring the children here. 611 00:39:17,087 --> 00:39:18,941 But the most pressing question is, 612 00:39:18,942 --> 00:39:24,282 is it safe for those kids to come into the theater? 613 00:39:24,978 --> 00:39:30,078 That being said, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 614 00:39:31,768 --> 00:39:33,378 Well.. 615 00:39:33,379 --> 00:39:36,619 In this case, there's.. 616 00:39:38,387 --> 00:39:40,667 Good news. 617 00:39:40,684 --> 00:39:42,978 I feel it's safe for them. 618 00:39:42,979 --> 00:39:47,659 But I have a problem with the 7-foot man. 619 00:39:48,818 --> 00:39:52,538 He.. Is kinda scary, this guy. 620 00:39:52,608 --> 00:39:54,303 And he's, like, really broad.. 621 00:39:54,304 --> 00:39:57,124 A big, broad guy. 622 00:40:01,036 --> 00:40:03,770 So was he 7 feet tall, or was he just presenting himself.. 623 00:40:03,771 --> 00:40:04,963 - He was just presenting.. - Okay. 624 00:40:04,964 --> 00:40:07,183 - In life, he was, like, 5'7.. - Okay. 625 00:40:07,184 --> 00:40:10,431 But in death, he's 7 feet tall. 626 00:40:10,432 --> 00:40:14,813 I think he needs a stern talking to because he is being a hypocrite. 627 00:40:14,814 --> 00:40:20,714 He is saying he wants to be left alone, and yet, he's harassing.. People. 628 00:40:22,363 --> 00:40:25,543 So that needs to stop. 629 00:40:25,842 --> 00:40:30,070 I think you guys should talk about what each of you has experienced, 630 00:40:30,071 --> 00:40:33,463 what you want, what you don't want, write it all down, 631 00:40:33,464 --> 00:40:36,599 and then go down there as a group and read out the whole thing. 632 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,794 Be like, "that's your space, you hang out there. " 633 00:40:39,795 --> 00:40:42,523 "We'll respect that if you respect us. " 634 00:40:42,524 --> 00:40:46,287 "If you don't respect us, then you're gonna have to go. " 635 00:40:46,288 --> 00:40:49,338 I'm certain the 7-foot-man was Dr. Gardner's assistant. 636 00:40:49,339 --> 00:40:55,159 He's chosen to stay in the theater, but needs to move on. 637 00:40:57,402 --> 00:41:00,559 Amy, what do they do if, after they have this talk with this guy, 638 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:01,852 and it doesn't stop? 639 00:41:01,853 --> 00:41:04,196 Well, then you're going to throw him out of the location. 640 00:41:04,197 --> 00:41:04,951 Okay. 641 00:41:04,952 --> 00:41:09,721 We'll keep in contact to see how this goes. 642 00:41:09,722 --> 00:41:15,121 And if you have to make him leave, then I'll tell you what you need to do. 643 00:41:15,122 --> 00:41:17,745 I mean, now that we know that it's not dangerous for the kids.. 644 00:41:17,746 --> 00:41:19,205 - Yeah. - You know, I mean.. 645 00:41:19,206 --> 00:41:21,452 It kinda goes to the personality of the house. 646 00:41:21,453 --> 00:41:23,284 It would be, you know, if he wants to stay 647 00:41:23,285 --> 00:41:25,955 and he's willing to follow the rules.. 648 00:41:25,956 --> 00:41:27,207 We don't have any hostility. 649 00:41:27,208 --> 00:41:29,255 We just want kids to feel comfortable coming.. 650 00:41:29,256 --> 00:41:30,917 - So.. - Right. Right. 651 00:41:30,918 --> 00:41:34,698 - Mm-hmm. - Thank you so much. 652 00:41:34,868 --> 00:41:38,281 There are several dead people inhabiting the Slocum House, 653 00:41:38,282 --> 00:41:42,304 but only the 7-foot man presents any sort of danger. 654 00:41:42,305 --> 00:41:46,104 As long as the employees of the theater follow the advice I've given them, 655 00:41:46,105 --> 00:41:51,459 they have nothing to worry about, and the children will remain safe. 656 00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:54,029 Subs created by: David Coleman. 657 00:41:54,030 --> 00:41:55,079 1. 658 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,820 2. 659 00:41:56,870 --> 00:42:01,420 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0